Groove Rider GR-16 Released!

Telengard

@jimpavloff

NV my mistake. Please ignore.

Iostress

@Telengard said:

@lostress said:
As for target audience that are familiar with the hardware boxes, I have them all here and know them inside out

@Iostress said:
I don't have an electribe. ... which was kinda what people were implying...

You imply so we imply back.

Edited for clarity.

Dude said, those boxes, after my post. I said I had those boxes.

Edited for clarity.

Iostress

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Telengard said:

@lostress said:
As for target audience that are familiar with the hardware boxes, I have them all here and know them inside out

@Iostress said:
I don't have an electribe. ... which was kinda what people were implying...

You imply so we imply back.

Edited for clarity.

Hmmm... He/She is maybe a troll...

Lol. Someone finds fault in something. Must be a troll. For real? Amateur hour in here I guess...

db909

@robosardine said:

@db909 said:
@robosardine

I don’t get it. With erase mode highlighted- it just erases for me. What ‘actual pad’ do you mean- I can’t get it to replace record.
You are in erase mode with the record function on- Yes?

You hold a pad down in erase mode while playing and recording more notes via the touchpad. The old notes are erased while the new are recorded. You can tap and hold erase pad while playing the touchpad anytime to punch in and overwrite a section of music. This doesn’t work without the touchpad because you can’t have the pads in erase and keys mode at the same time.

Iostress

@ExAsperis99 said:

@db909 said:
Tip: make sure you try holding shift while adjusting knobs for fine tuning. Seems like that’s where the sweet spots > @ErrkaPetti said:

@SMKArtist said:

@Iostress said:
Bought this on the back of the hype on this forum. Struggling to see what the fuss is about tbh. Yeah it's fun to sketch ideas out on and fast at what it does, but that's because in many areas its crippled to the point where it feels like a toy.

No piano roll editor. Editing anything polyphonic and/or complex is insanely tedious. Find the notes. Delete the notes. Find the new notes. Ugh... What year is this? What size screen am I looking at!?? Please add an expand piano view option for modern note editing convenience/speed. .

No sampling. On a sample groove box. In ios which as a platform is like pulling teeth in terms of shuffling files around. Ugh...

10 sec sample length limit. In 2017.

Idiot proof fx. I read '32 insert fx' and thought, 'this is going to be fun!'. In reality that should read approx 10 fx. Most of the fx are variations laid out to compensate for the app having almost zero user tweakability in the fx. One knob. So I can't even set a Delay's time/feedback/wet&dry independently. Or automate these independently. I realise the dev wants to keep it simple and reminiscent of hardware, thats admirable, but I don't have ANY hardware that doesn't at least allow 3 x params for tuning for fx (sp404..... Probably the most basic in terms of dialling in fx). There needs to be options to fine tune fx params. Maybe click 'effects' along the top and then the oscilloscope is replaced by fx params?Dunno... Something really needs to be done tho.

Tiny browser window. Ugh. It isn't a REAL Korg es2 or Elektron box. So why make it equally as annoying to browse samples on? Please, an 'expand' button for full screen browsing. Again, this is 2017 and the iPad with a huge screen. Browsing is one of the things that an iPad should be able to destroy hardware equivalents with tiny screens... This app is going to be a nightmare to browse through a decent sample library in its current state.

No nested folders. In 2017. On a platform that has ton of storage and decent size screen. Ugh..

No re-trig/roll param... Needs a 2nd page of params.
No filter envelope... Needs a 2nd page of params.
Only one lfo per Part... Needs a 2nd page of params.

No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes. In 2017. On an iPad.. Ugh. Even my microsampler does this..

No spring reverb in the insert fx.

Only one insert fx per Part. Can live with this if resampling arrives. But still, a ridiculous limitation in 2017. Should have 2 insert fx per Part, minimum. Again, this should be on a 2nd params page.

No stereo samples. Super weird limitation for an iPad app. Can live with it but still... I hope for at least the option to export separate track stems in stereo (otherwise dialling in/performing with half the fx types etc are going to be a waste of time and unable to export to mix properly..)

No Pad latch. For ambient loops etc.

No option for filter to be pre/post insert fx.

No arpeggio latch.

No AUv3.

So yeah.... That's just the main issues I had during day one. On top of that there is a ton of menu diving throughout a session. It's not as fast as people are making it out to be. A lot of stuff is buried. A 2nd params page full of currently missing functionality and button shortcuts for the main shortcuts people hit in a session (metronome, quantise settings etc) would smooth it out an make it feel much more 'pro' or like using hardware.

For the intro price of £10 its pretty good and fun to mess with. No chance I'd pay £20 for this app tho... It's missing too much depth from the hardware equivalents that it's based on. It's definitely promising but misses the mark in its current 'idiot proof' and slightly OVER-simplified state.

Everything I've mentioned can be addressed without detracting from the 'fast workflow/hardware vibe'. Hopefully some serious updates arrive in future...

@Iostress
This may not be the app for you. If you were thinking of buying the Hardware that inspired the GR-16, DON'T. If you think this app is limited, the Hardware is way worse.

What you are describing as far as your needs is DAW type system, which GR-16 is not. Korg Gadget would be your best bet. Gadget is my tool of choice. What GR-16 is good for is creating short 1 to 4 bar melodies and beats to export out and use for your DAW, like Gadget or Garage Band.

But I do agree with one thing you pointed out: "No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes"

@jimpavloff She's right about this part, TIME STRETCH, dude! It's a "Have Too". Electribes do a little time stretch. You can do it better!

Hmmm... How can you know that @Iostress is a she?

I had the same thought! There’s two ways you can read that handle. One, with the feminine suffix – “ess” — it seems to refer to woman who tends to get lost? Or it could be a mashup of “low stress.”

Or it could be a play on words IOS. IO-STRESS..... basics... WTF difference does gender make in at case? Y'all nothing better to concern yourselves with?

Iostress

@ExAsperis99 said:

@db909 said:
Tip: make sure you try holding shift while adjusting knobs for fine tuning. Seems like that’s where the sweet spots > @ErrkaPetti said:

@SMKArtist said:

@Iostress said:
Bought this on the back of the hype on this forum. Struggling to see what the fuss is about tbh. Yeah it's fun to sketch ideas out on and fast at what it does, but that's because in many areas its crippled to the point where it feels like a toy.

No piano roll editor. Editing anything polyphonic and/or complex is insanely tedious. Find the notes. Delete the notes. Find the new notes. Ugh... What year is this? What size screen am I looking at!?? Please add an expand piano view option for modern note editing convenience/speed. .

No sampling. On a sample groove box. In ios which as a platform is like pulling teeth in terms of shuffling files around. Ugh...

10 sec sample length limit. In 2017.

Idiot proof fx. I read '32 insert fx' and thought, 'this is going to be fun!'. In reality that should read approx 10 fx. Most of the fx are variations laid out to compensate for the app having almost zero user tweakability in the fx. One knob. So I can't even set a Delay's time/feedback/wet&dry independently. Or automate these independently. I realise the dev wants to keep it simple and reminiscent of hardware, thats admirable, but I don't have ANY hardware that doesn't at least allow 3 x params for tuning for fx (sp404..... Probably the most basic in terms of dialling in fx). There needs to be options to fine tune fx params. Maybe click 'effects' along the top and then the oscilloscope is replaced by fx params?Dunno... Something really needs to be done tho.

Tiny browser window. Ugh. It isn't a REAL Korg es2 or Elektron box. So why make it equally as annoying to browse samples on? Please, an 'expand' button for full screen browsing. Again, this is 2017 and the iPad with a huge screen. Browsing is one of the things that an iPad should be able to destroy hardware equivalents with tiny screens... This app is going to be a nightmare to browse through a decent sample library in its current state.

No nested folders. In 2017. On a platform that has ton of storage and decent size screen. Ugh..

No re-trig/roll param... Needs a 2nd page of params.
No filter envelope... Needs a 2nd page of params.
Only one lfo per Part... Needs a 2nd page of params.

No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes. In 2017. On an iPad.. Ugh. Even my microsampler does this..

No spring reverb in the insert fx.

Only one insert fx per Part. Can live with this if resampling arrives. But still, a ridiculous limitation in 2017. Should have 2 insert fx per Part, minimum. Again, this should be on a 2nd params page.

No stereo samples. Super weird limitation for an iPad app. Can live with it but still... I hope for at least the option to export separate track stems in stereo (otherwise dialling in/performing with half the fx types etc are going to be a waste of time and unable to export to mix properly..)

No Pad latch. For ambient loops etc.

No option for filter to be pre/post insert fx.

No arpeggio latch.

No AUv3.

So yeah.... That's just the main issues I had during day one. On top of that there is a ton of menu diving throughout a session. It's not as fast as people are making it out to be. A lot of stuff is buried. A 2nd params page full of currently missing functionality and button shortcuts for the main shortcuts people hit in a session (metronome, quantise settings etc) would smooth it out an make it feel much more 'pro' or like using hardware.

For the intro price of £10 its pretty good and fun to mess with. No chance I'd pay £20 for this app tho... It's missing too much depth from the hardware equivalents that it's based on. It's definitely promising but misses the mark in its current 'idiot proof' and slightly OVER-simplified state.

Everything I've mentioned can be addressed without detracting from the 'fast workflow/hardware vibe'. Hopefully some serious updates arrive in future...

@Iostress
This may not be the app for you. If you were thinking of buying the Hardware that inspired the GR-16, DON'T. If you think this app is limited, the Hardware is way worse.

What you are describing as far as your needs is DAW type system, which GR-16 is not. Korg Gadget would be your best bet. Gadget is my tool of choice. What GR-16 is good for is creating short 1 to 4 bar melodies and beats to export out and use for your DAW, like Gadget or Garage Band.

But I do agree with one thing you pointed out: "No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes"

@jimpavloff She's right about this part, TIME STRETCH, dude! It's a "Have Too". Electribes do a little time stretch. You can do it better!

Hmmm... How can you know that @Iostress is a she?

I had the same thought! There’s two ways you can read that handle. One, with the feminine suffix – “ess” — it seems to refer to woman who tends to get lost? Or it could be a mashup of “low stress.”

IOS. IO-STRESS. As in stressful platform. Obvs. Nothing better to concern selves with than my gender? Kinda weird....

Iostress

Is this a production tools forum or a fan site?

Iostress

I paid for the app. Pretty sure that means I'm equally entitled to an opinion/feature request? Apologies if I'm not quite so in awe of it as y'all. Pretty sure that doesn't qualify me as a troll etc tho?

RajahP

I guess Midi export is yet to come?

robosardine

@db909 said:

@robosardine said:

@db909 said:
@robosardine

I don’t get it. With erase mode highlighted- it just erases for me. What ‘actual pad’ do you mean- I can’t get it to replace record.
You are in erase mode with the record function on- Yes?

You hold a pad down in erase mode while playing and recording more notes via the touchpad. The old notes are erased while the new are recorded. You can tap and hold erase pad while playing the touchpad anytime to punch in and overwrite a section of music. This doesn’t work without the touchpad because you can’t have the pads in erase and keys mode at the same time.

Ah...... the Touchpad....... I thought you meant ‘touch the pad(s)’ -it’s just me- great discovery though!

yaknepper

Chill, it's all good. I read your original post and it had some valid points and requests for sure, maybe it just came out a bit harsh for this forum, we are lovers (of apps), not fighters here :-).

Cheers

Anyway, is there a setting to turn off the Tap button blinking, it is super distracting..?

@Iostress said:
I paid for the app. Pretty sure that means I'm equally entitled to an opinion/feature request? Apologies if I'm not quite so in awe of it as y'all. Pretty sure that doesn't qualify me as a troll etc tho?

Telengard

NV... Not important. Back to the GR-16.

ExAsperis99

@Iostress said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@db909 said:
Tip: make sure you try holding shift while adjusting knobs for fine tuning. Seems like that’s where the sweet spots > @ErrkaPetti said:

@SMKArtist said:

@Iostress said:
Bought this on the back of the hype on this forum. Struggling to see what the fuss is about tbh. Yeah it's fun to sketch ideas out on and fast at what it does, but that's because in many areas its crippled to the point where it feels like a toy.

No piano roll editor. Editing anything polyphonic and/or complex is insanely tedious. Find the notes. Delete the notes. Find the new notes. Ugh... What year is this? What size screen am I looking at!?? Please add an expand piano view option for modern note editing convenience/speed. .

No sampling. On a sample groove box. In ios which as a platform is like pulling teeth in terms of shuffling files around. Ugh...

10 sec sample length limit. In 2017.

Idiot proof fx. I read '32 insert fx' and thought, 'this is going to be fun!'. In reality that should read approx 10 fx. Most of the fx are variations laid out to compensate for the app having almost zero user tweakability in the fx. One knob. So I can't even set a Delay's time/feedback/wet&dry independently. Or automate these independently. I realise the dev wants to keep it simple and reminiscent of hardware, thats admirable, but I don't have ANY hardware that doesn't at least allow 3 x params for tuning for fx (sp404..... Probably the most basic in terms of dialling in fx). There needs to be options to fine tune fx params. Maybe click 'effects' along the top and then the oscilloscope is replaced by fx params?Dunno... Something really needs to be done tho.

Tiny browser window. Ugh. It isn't a REAL Korg es2 or Elektron box. So why make it equally as annoying to browse samples on? Please, an 'expand' button for full screen browsing. Again, this is 2017 and the iPad with a huge screen. Browsing is one of the things that an iPad should be able to destroy hardware equivalents with tiny screens... This app is going to be a nightmare to browse through a decent sample library in its current state.

No nested folders. In 2017. On a platform that has ton of storage and decent size screen. Ugh..

No re-trig/roll param... Needs a 2nd page of params.
No filter envelope... Needs a 2nd page of params.
Only one lfo per Part... Needs a 2nd page of params.

No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes. In 2017. On an iPad.. Ugh. Even my microsampler does this..

No spring reverb in the insert fx.

Only one insert fx per Part. Can live with this if resampling arrives. But still, a ridiculous limitation in 2017. Should have 2 insert fx per Part, minimum. Again, this should be on a 2nd params page.

No stereo samples. Super weird limitation for an iPad app. Can live with it but still... I hope for at least the option to export separate track stems in stereo (otherwise dialling in/performing with half the fx types etc are going to be a waste of time and unable to export to mix properly..)

No Pad latch. For ambient loops etc.

No option for filter to be pre/post insert fx.

No arpeggio latch.

No AUv3.

So yeah.... That's just the main issues I had during day one. On top of that there is a ton of menu diving throughout a session. It's not as fast as people are making it out to be. A lot of stuff is buried. A 2nd params page full of currently missing functionality and button shortcuts for the main shortcuts people hit in a session (metronome, quantise settings etc) would smooth it out an make it feel much more 'pro' or like using hardware.

For the intro price of £10 its pretty good and fun to mess with. No chance I'd pay £20 for this app tho... It's missing too much depth from the hardware equivalents that it's based on. It's definitely promising but misses the mark in its current 'idiot proof' and slightly OVER-simplified state.

Everything I've mentioned can be addressed without detracting from the 'fast workflow/hardware vibe'. Hopefully some serious updates arrive in future...

@Iostress
This may not be the app for you. If you were thinking of buying the Hardware that inspired the GR-16, DON'T. If you think this app is limited, the Hardware is way worse.

What you are describing as far as your needs is DAW type system, which GR-16 is not. Korg Gadget would be your best bet. Gadget is my tool of choice. What GR-16 is good for is creating short 1 to 4 bar melodies and beats to export out and use for your DAW, like Gadget or Garage Band.

But I do agree with one thing you pointed out: "No time strech option to allow a sample to be played chromatically as an instrument and keep its true length on all notes"

@jimpavloff She's right about this part, TIME STRETCH, dude! It's a "Have Too". Electribes do a little time stretch. You can do it better!

Hmmm... How can you know that @Iostress is a she?

I had the same thought! There’s two ways you can read that handle. One, with the feminine suffix – “ess” — it seems to refer to woman who tends to get lost? Or it could be a mashup of “low stress.”

IOS. IO-STRESS. As in stressful platform. Obvs. Nothing better to concern selves with than my gender? Kinda weird....

Hey man, no need to pick a fight with everybody! we’re just shooting the shit as if we were in a bar. your comments I thought were valid, although they definitely are not in the measured, non-confrontational tone you usually see on these forums.
“obvs”

stormbeats

@yaknepper said:
Chill, it's all good. I read your original post and it had some valid points and requests for sure, maybe it just came out a bit harsh for this forum, we are lovers (of apps), not fighters here :-).

Cheers

Anyway, is there a setting to turn off the Tap button blinking, it is super distracting..?

@Iostress said:
I paid for the app. Pretty sure that means I'm equally entitled to an opinion/feature request? Apologies if I'm not quite so in awe of it as y'all. Pretty sure that doesn't qualify me as a troll etc tho?

@yaknepper i too get distracted by the flashing tap tempo light - I have mentioned to @jimpavloff so hopefully in next update

stormbeats

@jimpavloff Has anyone managed to create sub folders - I tried in files.app but not showing in Grooverider-
@jimpavloff thanks for hearing our views on the initial release - the newer additions are intuitive - the metronome level can now be set and the export options have stepped the app to another level-
Next I hope for multi stem export if not then at least an option to add 2 or more effects to a part/pad and Auv3 effects and the re sample to pad feature - this will really make big impact on beat/making music on iOS and all projects can be completed in Grooverider making this great app truly standalone.
A wider zoom in sample edit waveform will enhance fine editing.
I dream of a beatmaking app/groovebox where you can do output routing per pad to another app i.e 16pads output 1-16 being routed 1-16 inputs into AUM / AURIA PRO / CUBASIS then record the project in real time..which would bypass stem export - if only I could code.
Does anyone know of any iOS audio routing patchbays?
Cheers and Peace.

stormbeats

@jimpavloff I can do a lot with Grooverider - its excellent can we get the option to turn off the tap tempo flashing light button
Akai Mpc Studio Black does the same thing - this app is by far better than the Akai Mpc Studio- lets get that tap tempo light on/off switch :-)

db909

Personally for me, this thing has all I need to build full tracks and most importantly do so in a manner that is super fun.

stormbeats

@db909 said:
Personally for me, this thing has all I need to build full tracks and most importantly do so in a manner that is super fun.

i agree 100% - the timeshifting of notes in realtime is mind blowing ..powerful app - very

db909

Also, I dunno bout you guys, but while I certainly don’t require it, @jimpavloff you have my money for any IAP instrument and/or sample packs in the future if you ever put some together

jimpavloff

@db909 said:
Also, I dunno bout you guys, but while I certainly don’t require it, @jimpavloff you have my money for any IAP instrument and/or sample packs in the future if you ever put some together

+1. We'll see if somebody else needs it. Is there some specific music styles you would recommend?

[Deleted User]

Is there a good getting started guide for idiots anywhere? The idiot here needs a jump-start.

Sygma

@MonzoPro said:
Is there a good getting started guide for idiots anywhere? The idiot here needs a jump-start.

Yes, here : https://www.jimaudio.pro/grooverider/grooverider_manual.pdf

RajahP

@db909 said:
Also, I dunno bout you guys, but while I certainly don’t require it, @jimpavloff you have my money for any IAP instrument and/or sample packs in the future if you ever put some together

+1. We'll see if somebody else needs it. Is there some specific music styles you would recommend?

I’m in... Banks also...

Wish we could transpose to scale/Key.. This could be like Blocs Wave.. But with a lot extra..

skiphunt

@MonzoPro said:
Is there a good getting started guide for idiots anywhere? The idiot here needs a jump-start.

A bit of advice that was simple but really tripped me up in the beginning more than it should have... Get used to the way the navigation works in conjunction with the use of the shift button.

And, once you kinda get the general syntax of the interface navigation and play a bit, his manual is pretty decent too.

Iostress

Wasn't intending to be confrontational. Just got greeted with some weird super defensive/condescending responses to my first posts here. Like this app is beyond criticism or improvement or something... A lot of people criticise the hardware electribes a fair bit so...

I guess my main disappointment/issue was it advertising '32 effects'....That's not really true compared to other hardware or other apps' definition of what a separate effect type is. Would be cool if dev can open up the effects for deeper dialling...

And my other requests were pretty solid too imho...

Guess we'll see how far the dev wants to refine it or just settle as is...

pfrf

Thanks for the update! MIDI in! 24 bit export! Fantastic.
People who understand and love electribes will love this app. To me they are the most intuitive performance boxes ever. I’m grateful to Jim for sticking to the paradigm.

If you think this app, or electribes in general, are limiting (or only good for making short loops) check out YouTube videos by user danielklerr to see what kind of amazing stuff can be done:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCNGpu3vt80
Take a look at some of the suggested videos that appear on the right. So many cool tips and tricks. This guy knows his instrument.

ginandjuice

@stormbeats said:
@jimpavloff I can do a lot with Grooverider - its excellent can we get the option to turn off the tap tempo flashing light button
Akai Mpc Studio Black does the same thing - this app is by far better than the Akai Mpc Studio- lets get that tap tempo light on/off switch :-)

Funny thing, the tap tempo light never bothered me until it was mentioned on this thread...
Now it’s driving me nuts! TURN IT OFF!!

skiphunt

@Iostress said:
Wasn't intending to be confrontational. Just got greeted with some weird super defensive/condescending responses to my first posts here. Like this app is beyond criticism or improvement or something... A lot of people criticise the hardware electribes a fair bit so...

I guess my main disappointment/issue was it advertising '32 effects'....That's not really true compared to other hardware or other apps' definition of what a separate effect type is. Would be cool if dev can open up the effects for deeper dialling...

And my other requests were pretty solid too imho...

Guess we'll see how far the dev wants to refine it or just settle as is...

I didn’t take your post as all that confrontational. You sounded like you were disappointed in that the app wasnt quite what you expected based on the hype. That happens to me some too, but there is a bit of fandom here to be honest. Although, there are some folks who know what they’re doing, some good devs who participate, and lots of helpful resources too. You just have to kind of ignore the fandom stuff a little. Some regulars here have been posting on this forum for nearly a decade. It’s best to just avoid potential conflict I’ve found.

I’ve got a handful of regulars I’ll message directly, who I know won’t get their panties in a bunch if I’m coming off as critical.

Although it sounds like you’re more experienced with this type of production tool than I am, feel free to use me as a critical sounding board if you’d rather avoid potential unwanted drama.

I was equally disappointed that this didn’t meet the hype for me, but after I learned what it does do well, the cost, and the fun quotient, I decided it’s a pretty sweet app that I’ll get some good use out of.

Don’t let the minor feather ruffling get ya down. It’s all good. I’ve been there plenty of times myself on this forum, but the good mostly outweighs the little bit of aggravation every now and then.

And, welcome!

stormbeats

@ginandjuice said:

@stormbeats said:
@jimpavloff I can do a lot with Grooverider - its excellent can we get the option to turn off the tap tempo flashing light button
Akai Mpc Studio Black does the same thing - this app is by far better than the Akai Mpc Studio- lets get that tap tempo light on/off switch :-)

Funny thing, the tap tempo light never bothered me until it was mentioned on this thread...
Now it’s driving me nuts! TURN IT OFF!!

ha - my fault :-) it's a tad bit distracting.

dendy

it is not distracting. actually you love it a much !!! concetrate on that inner rythm in that hypnotic flashing light, you like it, everything what you want is that blinking magic...